for getting cheap deng stuff, you can order from here : <LINK REMOVED> they have all the deng stuff, and i believe zhi and bionic as well since it s also chinese. ( <LINK REMOVED> ) the guy speaks english but to pay you need a contact in china because it seems they only accept chinese credit card. but you can try to convince them to accept paypal also... so i can take advantage of it . if several people ask they might accept I have already made 2 orders there and it s fast (5 days for the shipping). I bought first a zoo bar for half the price (65$ with shipping instead of 110), and then i ordered a adamant A1 frame (135$ instead of 450), KMC chain (10$), echo mod hub (45$), VIZ! freewheel (64$, same price ), and echo brakepads (cheap!). the shipping was 80$ for air travel. generally speaking, for all the chinese brands, the price is about 4 times less than the western price for frames, and 3 to 2 times cheaper for all the rest. it s not interesting to buy western brands, even if it s made in china the price is the same... i just put a new order for several parts, including a 46mm echo rim. they charge 20yuan for making the grind on the rim ( i let you convert ) anybody try? it would be cool to make them accept international credit cards.