I understand what your saying, im friends with danny, and his riding is awesome, i dont get awestruck by many riders, however danny is a nutcase. his riding is awesome, there is no-one more imaginative in the uk or possibly the world when trials is involved. however i dont like how you have named only streetier riders as those who have pushed the limits, (i know you said to name only four) this is something you cannot do, imo, trials has many different variances, in the end we are all trials riders, and the respect for each other should be more than it is, however it doesnt seem that way. comments like yours, whether they are innocent or not, seperate out sport into almost different disciplines. Trials is going in a positive way in a number of ways, however we are all one and should be moving that way. anyway, when i see danny this weekend i might rape him in a tent. that whip to 180 drop is just incredible, and to do it off a 4-inch beam (see the pictures forum) is just plain messy. i messed my pants......