Yeah, some of that is expected though, Echo is pretty generic on a lot of that stuff, but almost all their frames are copies of some other frame as well. I can say that there stuff is of pretty good quality though, I've been running a Zhi Zm2 frame as well as a Zhi fork and stem for a couple years and I bought them used, I can tell you that the Zm2 frame is pretty much bombproof, it's obviously not the lightest, but you don't have to afraid about hurting it.