Basically what i want to no is are the echo sl rims actually worth getting, reason i am wanting these exact rims is because they are lighter than any other rim for sale at the moment and latly i am becoming a bit of a wait pussy, also does the rear echo sl rim come in 36hole aswell as 32 hole as it doesnt say on tarty. and by the way i am not going to be getting them from tarty for there exact amount i will paying 3/4 of the price from another dealer, before you start to go on about price. thanks for help woody