I think i'm ryan leech. I do the shoulder thing when I trackstand. anyway, I gapped just short of what I can on my mod on my handsome dog, which albeit is a light frame, (and has liiight sus - Zocch EXR comp) is considerably (x2 - x3) heavier. So there. Why do trials on that bike? Well, because I do, it gives me the option of blasting down stairs (or up), the added ability of bunnyhops, the choice of doing freeride on the same bike, and because of the gears, the ability to go places Now, suspension on an actual trials bike is pointless. It will outweigh the back end. Funny though, my handsome dog is a trials frame. Sort of.