fair play iv had enough of this topic, thers so many dicks who can barely ride trials talking about stuff they dont under stand, for god sake. and matt chris king didnt design the hub for trials, not saying im great on a trials bike by the way but i do ok what more can you want from hub, rear king is lighter than a rear record road hub yet you can use it for trials,downhill,xc the lot and it takes it all. and king probly have a better warranty than hope now they have changed there policy, the only reason it takes about 3 weeks is cus its gotta go all the way to the states. soon ll have the same hub on my trials bike xc bike and road bike and there the best hub for all 3 types of bikes.