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Its what I was taught with disc set up, will have to change that then with some very thin washers. my bad! with regards to bedding in, don't you find that that cooks the pads a bit matt? I avoided a hill last time and the break worked so much better, but then again the time before i tried this ride down the hill, tip water over the disc method that I read on here, and I think that was a bad idea... lol

Um... I think you misunderstood! The spacer would go between the crown and crown race, not replace it! I understand how it all works thanks, I've been riding trials for 8 yrs and biking for around 15yrs. Just so its clear it would sit on the fork crown and be the same diameter as the crown and the lower part of the headset ( The crown race ) would then sit on this spacer (prob custom job) Thanks Matt. Fortunately the area designed for the crown race on the new echo urbans is a whopping 20mm tall, so i'm thinking that as long as this custom spacer is the same width on the outside as the fork crown, there will be no difference at all? Will speak to you in more detail when I see you on wednesday...

Ok, can you have a at this product and then try answer the question below... http://www.stif.co.uk/gear/select_options.asp?productid=6245 This would replace the race that sits on the fork crown between the fork and bottom of the headset to raise it 5mm. having the effect of taking a standard set of 400mm forks to 405mm. My question is if its safe to use this, is its safe to just use some stem stacker's? The original problem brought up with putting stacker's between your fork crown and race is that the stacker's are of a thinner outer diameter than the crown race so its not safe. but as you can see from the Chris king product design, it also steps down to a thinner width? The reason I ask this is because I want to raise my front end up 10mm without a fork change. The only problem I can see if safety is not an issue, is that the bottom of the steerer tube is thicker where the crown race sits. Does anyone know where you can buy spacers like this? or would it have to be a custom job? does anyone know the standard measurements of the steerer thicknesses also? Thanks, Dave

I've been riding for about 8 yrs now ( on and off ) and during that time i've had... Magura HS33 (old type and new, 4-bolt and 2-bolt) Avid SD7 Avid ultimate Avid Cable Disc Hope mono trials Disc (160 and 180) My overall opinion is a follows... The worst option up front by far is the HS33, it really is a rear brake champion only! Right now I run an avid SD7. There is NO difference to the ultimate in terms of performance in my opinion, PROVIDED that you get the right pads for your rim and you buy a better set of cables (Clarks I think make the high performance ones) I'm still torn between the hope mono trials 180 setup and the avid SD7 rim break overall. I run the hope Disk on my 24" and the SD7 on my 26" and I'd say there are advantages and disadvantages to each. The SD7 gets the best bite by far and is really good for wheel swaps and front wheel gaps. It goes well on a light bike to make the front end weight next to nothing but its biggest fall down in my opinion is wet weather. If you do ride in light rain, even with good pads it can start slipping and also the cables get wet where exposed, although this is a relatively minor issue. The Hope Disc is the best all rounder, it deals with the wet well. It performs brilliantly (even better now with sintered pads) and it has amazing modulation. It only lacks that instant bite of the vee. Final verdict... Comp Dry - Avid SD7 Vee Comp Wet - Hope mono trial disc (largest rotor you can manage + sintered pads) Street - Hope mono trial disc (any rotor but sintered pads) Extra tips for front break set up... SD7 - Grinded rim works well, clarks high performance cable kit, make sure they are sprung evenly and use spacers to get the pads exactly the same distance from the rim each side, take time over lining them up square. You can use pads designed for a smooth rim (with gaps/grooves) on a light grind for truly astounding bite, but don't expect them to last long! Hope mono trial disc - Sintered pads, DO NOT bed them in down a hill. They are trials specific, not designed for downhill. Doing this overheats the pads and lessens the effect of the sintering. Yes they will work well, but they will work better if you only bed them in doing trials and fight the urge with some patients. Setup the disc well with spacers so that one pad touches lightly and the other is far away. Not center! the fork side pad should be touching. Get the bleed done by tarty unless you are 100% confident in leaving no air! A final question?... Although braided cables are stronger, is it true they have a larger diameter for fluid to pass through and actually slightly lower the performance of the break. I have braided cables on my 26" and they have gone downhill for sure. Hope you can all trust and value my advice after 8 yrs of Trials, David

Does anyone know the Sweep and rise of the onza carbon bars, its not listed on tarty? whats bars do you run?

Thank you, thats really helpful. In your opinion would this ... http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/product.php?pr...;category_id=14 with a 35 degree, 90mm stem feel about the same? The stays are 380, which is whats listed for the ZHI z3. The BB is +45, so 5mm more and wheelbase of 1085 also 5mm more. so am I looking at a 5mm shorter stem and maybe 5mm higher? to get same geo as your zhi? May I ask what the geo is on the meta forks your running, and also what stem bar you got there? Thanks

What sort of angle would you recommend? 71-72 degrees? any frames I should note?

As the topic describes, I'm 5ft 7 and I ride an echo control +20 bb, 1065 wheelbase, 400mm forks. I've ridden stock now (and more recently 24" also) for about 8 years. The bike I felt most conformable on was the first ashton. It was 1035, level BB and I used the brisa bar and stem. When I changed to my Control it felt long. My gapping has improve and I can surge Higher. I really like the feel, but at the same time I feel like it puts a strain on my back and it is a little too long... My current bar and stem setup on the control after full possible stacker's on a 200mm steerer is 110mm, 10 degrees and onza carbon bars. I would like advice (preferably from someone short) on getting the right setup. Maybe a larger rise stem, maybe i'll have to go to a larger rise in the bars or not as wide. I know it sounds crazy but id like to go for more of a BB rise again... I was thinking that if I get a +40bb frame, and 420 length forks it would feel the same. But most new frames are longer at 1085-1100. How can I get round these problems with my height? I don't want to go mod and I love the way my bike handles, but its too long... expert advice please In an Ideal world I'd like a +45BB frame, as long as possible but confortable. Anyone got an equation to put 5ft 7" into, lol ?

Voted Very interested in how you could implement the ability to take a chain on and off, without seriously weakening a frame!

Ok, this may stir up a good debate or I may just be called an idiot... We all know that carbon is very strong. So how do you guys reckon these would fair up for trials use... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-Trigon-EX-RIGID-...=item45ef3f5b71 They are a carbon MTB fork, so their prob designed for XC. Would they be strong enough? I think that the 415mm length and 48mm offset would be great. They weigh in at just 500g which is crazy and come with a 300mm steerer, so you can get lots of stackers in before you cut them to size! So opinions, would they cut it for trials use?

Turns out that the fact i could have any spacers on my steerer and the 10deg stem wern't my only problems. My fatty r forks are only 380mm long which is very short for forks. After asking around, turns out my BB is 16mm lower than normal and my bars a massive 62mm after doing the maths. So thats why it feel hideous.AM waiting on new forks (09 echo urbans) to come back in stock at tarty, and since their brand new I can get some stackers in too,thanks for all your input. I knew something was wrong...

yeah man, gd call. bar stem setup is bad. I got no room for stem stackers on the steerer so im going change the 90mm 10 degree stem for a system Ex 35 degree 100mm stem, and that should give me about 40mm extra height, at only 6mm shorter. the bars are supposed to be 2.5" rise so im not changing them, but if it still feels too low, i'll buy some black markets! I'm sure 40mm of height will be enough. just hope the 35 angle doesnt make it feel odd to spin and stuff... vid coming soon... Dave

On a serious note though... who is the women in your avatar? No seriously. Name, size, what website? lol

Hi I took the bar and stem from my 24UK onto my inspired fourplay and what seemed fine is now really bad.I used to be able to manual easily, the front end came up no problem and I could bunny hop well too (over bar height up onto things) Now on the inspired the front end feels hard to pull up and to hold. I realize that the frame is lightly longer and also the BB is +10 over the 24UK. Anyway my questions are about improving my setup... I currently have a hope CNC 90mm stem with 10 degree rise,and azonic double walls 2.5" risers I appreciate that adding height will prob be the first step forward. are there any bars with larger than a 2.5" rise? what about a larger degree rise in the stem (no more room for stem stacker's as the steerer of the forks is too short) Other than this what else is going to make it feel nicer for poping up/bunny hops/manuals etc... Ignoring the obvious need for rise, what about the length of the stem Longer? shorter? and what about bar width? would longer bars make things easier, more angled bars? I would love some detailed answers, feel free to throw some explications my way too if you like. Would be nice to hear from anyone with a good setup too, especially if you ride the inspired. Thank you Dave

Can I just say Its a 8mp camera but for some reason its just s***! its the samsung i8910. I took ten pictures. Two were decent enough to post and thats actually the best one. I will try again outside when it stops f***ing raining in this s*** a*** country! thanks for understanding, lol

Hey all, finished this build today and i'm very happy with how it looks. It hasn't been out on a ride because the rains real bad here, hopefully tomorrow. Indoor at skate extreme if its hammering down again at very least. Here's a run down of the spec... Frame: Inspired Fourplay Fork: Fatty R Rear Wheel: Onza Ronnie on Hope pro 2 trials Front Wheel: Onza Reggie on Hope Tyres: DMR Moto Digger Rear Brake: HS33 (TNN metal pads) Booster: Tensile 4-bolt Front brake: Hope mono trials (trials pads +20 adapter and rockman 180 rotor) BB: Echo external Crankset: Middleburn Pro Trials Front Cog: Middleburn cd 20T Pedals: DMR V12 Magnesium Chain: Trialtech Lite Rear Drive: DMR single speed 16T Tensioner: Rohloff Seat/Post/Clamp: Inspired Headset: Hope with head-doctor Stem: Hope CNC (90mm +10) Bars: Azonic double wall (1.5" rise) Grips: Echo Other Finishing Kit: Carbon stem stacker, DT double butted spokes, Tarty Chain guard, Maxis DH ® and welterweight (F) tubes, silver valve caps

wtf is with the pink masks?

Cool, all of you add DaiHowells68@hotmail.com now cos im issolated down here. I need a ride asap cos im under a lot of stress too, lol. let me know when the next ride is on at plymouth an i'll make an apperance, im not online so someone txt me maybe? 07725010445

Great, this is gd news, however I was hoping to find some riders that live here! I'm here all summer so i want to ride every week Anyone local, or within like 20 miles of newquay?

Hey, I moved down here (Newquay) about 2 weeks back, and am yet to bump into any trials riders. If anyone is here please can you reply so I can jion your rides, even if ur not in newquay itself im prepared to travel, so anyone around this area please let me know. Alternativly you can call me on 07725010445 or email me @ DaiHowells68@Hotmail.com. I Brought my 24" down, but if theres a lot of you around here, i may go home and get my Echo control too. David

Heres a little vid I made, Just some basic riding on the 2nd day out, just to show off how nice the New UK24 rides, there should be a direct link from www.Heatsinkbikes.com soon, but for now ... http://www.trials-shack.co.uk/Heatsink/UK24David.avi Its an amazing frame for £230 and i'm more than happy with it, I hope to take my riding to the next level when i get used to it fully David

Hey guys, are ridden and individual the only two trials related clothing brands, and are they only available from tartybikes? Isn't £20 a bit steap for a brand thats only just been released Dai

Thats your opinion, bit harsh mind Loads of people seem to like the black, personally i think the blue ones are rank! Blue for the win is definatley a question not a statement, when 27 other responces are thumbs up. Wasnt trying to win nicest bike award or anything, just wanted to know what people think, lol

Hey, here's a pic of my UK24. Put it together for its 1st ride yesterday and its really smooth. I am waiting for the silver UK24 stickers to replace the white heatsink logo and then it will be finnished off! What do you think? SPEC Frame: UK24 Powder coated black Fork: Fatty-R Headset: C2 Bar: Azonic double wall Stem: Hope ( carbon fiber stem stackers ) BB: Echo external Crankset: Middleburn RS7 Pro Trials Pedals: DMR V12 mags Chain: KMC cool Rear Wheel: Onza Ronnie on Hope Pro II Trials Front Wheel: Onza Reggie on Hope Pro II Tyres: Tioga Factory DH Rear brake: Black HS33 with Heatsink CNC Booster ( koxx bloxx ) Fronk brake: Hope Mini Pro Trials 160 Seat/Post: I - Beam Seat clamp: Hope Sqewers: Hope front, Fun bolts rear Gearing: custom 6 speed sram cogs, Sr suntour mech and gripshift with clarks cable set