Thanks! I will post some photos of Tokyo for people to see as soon as I have access to the other forums and so on...urban Tokyo is a trials riders dream! Inner Tokyo is ALL concrete, rails, stairs, and loads of drops. Makes VERY good to urban freeride too. Wanting some advice from you experts, have been reading a little and read something about a long frame and a short frame, is this for all trials bikes or one type in particular. The Giant trials pro 20 (2007 model) is this a short or long? What is the difference? I only have access to this bike, one choice and its the mod. Im 6ft 1" tall and weigh about 62 kg. My background as I mentioned before was Downhill, the front forks and bars are quite outstretched, the seat position of my DH bike is midway over the back wheel. Of course you dont sit down on a trials bike unless the tyre is scraping your butt clean for you while your riding. Judging by my height is that particular bike going to be ok for me? I have never done trials before and cannot ride a bike before buying so just want to come as close to getting it right as i can... This is the bike here: http://www.giant.co.jp/2007/mtb/competr/trials-pro-20.html Close up of the bike: http://www.giant.co.jp/2007/mtb/large/trials-pro-20.html Cheers Steve-O