Well I'm convinced... No one who has replied in this thread deserves validation due to fact that I can count the number of informative replies on one hand. I don't have the bow, but I do ride a conquer, the 2008 frame. The geo isn't the same, as the bow is slightly longer at 1015mm Wheel base, and the BB rise is 10 mm higher, which I wouldn't mind upgrading to, but they are solid street rigs and I love mine to bits. I haven't ridden the onza but I have seen it in the hands of a few good riders and quite a lot of people seem to have them, they seem quite popular. Get yourself along to an upcoming ride and see if any one has one of the frame so you can test it out. Onza Ice Wheelbase: 1020mm Chainstay Length: 350mm BB Rise: 70mm Head Angle: 72 degrees Neon Bow Wheel Base: 1015 Chainstay 350mm BB Rise: 65mm Head angle: 71.5mm