the geo will be different on everyones bike, it only takes a different pair of forks or handle bars to make the bike completely different. my bow is like a medium lenght bike really, i like it but it took me alot of getting used to coming from a frame that was less than 1000wb, ive rode an ice once and it just felt like one of these long tgs frames to me, which im not a fan of. basically everyone likes different things, so dont buy one just because someone says its the nicest bike they've ever ridden, i garantee when u build one up it wont feel anything like the other guys bikes.