Jason222

I just rebled another brake in 5 minutes...swapped my 04 magura master for an 05 one. No air in the line. I had a look at it again, and I think I figured out what was wrong with the echo TR. When I bled it, I used a small bucket and did up the master valve when I was pushing air out the slaves, and I had the master in my hand and out of the bucket(with the bleed bolt closed at the master). What I think happened was that it was leaking as I pumped the brake, so every time I'd pump the brake, a small amount of water would leak out...and air would get in.

Yeah, it was the first thing I did before I rebled it.

I didn't know it was so terribly bad, I asked if it would work, you said it would. I tried it, it didn't work. I wanted to see if the new echo brakes were good or not, and apparently they arn't yet.

You were the guy that said it wouldn't leak. I wasn't going to waste more money in shipping it back to the UK to get a replacement. A $60 front brake isn't a big lot of money to lose. And I figured it was the slaves leaking, so I switched them, then I rebled. You don't seem to get my point - I don't care about tarty sending me a faulty brake, I'm saying that people in general should not use echo brakes, and that shops shouldn't even waste their time stocking them. To clear up the bleeding issue, I'm going to get a proper bleed kit tonight and rebleed it. But I already know what the outcome will be... Not if the master pisses out water.

Using just a cross-over isn't the same. If you've cut magura line and echo lines you'll notice how easy it is to cut through echo lines, while maguras are actually quite difficult. When I had my original echo brake I was breaking lines every few weeks, yet I've never broken a magura line. One of the locals ordered an echo SL brake and the brake line actually snapped as he took it out of the box.

Have you ever used one on one of your bikes? I can break an echo line with my hands. The luck of the draw.

I'm pretty sure any pressure from the lever was forcing water out the master cylinder. I changed the master to an 04 magura, rebled in a few minutes, and the brake worked great...its most definitely the echo Tr crap master...

ZHI still makes lots of parts and frames...probably more now than ever. We see less of them because their website was down for some time, and then when it went back up, it was relabeled as www.zhibike.cc, also, westerners are importing less of their product for some reason...it might have to do with minimum order size.

It was a good bleed for sure, I tried to get it work for over 2 hours with no success. I think the water creeped out the master when I pulled the lever blade... It was faulty, but it wasn't that bad. I bought the brake so that I could use the master with magura slaves, I was told that it would work...maguras work with water because the insides don't have steel parts and are corrosion resistant. Echo brakes don't work with water because they use the worst seals known to man. Flaws as in design flaws, not manufacturing flaws. For example, when you pull the brake, the lever bottoms on the TPA adjuster before it hits the bar. Or when the lever isn't clamped to the bar, the master cylinder moves freely. There was something else I noticed, but I can't remember what it was. The bleed was fine. I used a bucket bleed(and I realize this isn't the best way to bleed, but I'm really good at it), and tried to get it to work for the longest time...then gave up, put the 04 mag master back on, 4 minutes later it was rebled in the same bucket and working 100%. I haven't even mentioned the cheap lines echo has used from the get go. The danger from their ease of snapping is reason enough not to stock these brakes... What I'm trying to get at is that if so many of these brakes are known to leak or be faulty from the get go, why do shops keep selling them to us?

So I'm hella pissed about my new echo TR front brake that I ordered from tarty bikes. I took it out of the package and right away I noticed several design flaws, and the damn thing wasn't even bled properly. I played with it for a few days before I put it on a bike to see if it would leak or not with the standard oil bleed. It sure did. Then I took the master off and swapped magura slaves on and rebled with water. Holy fail. When completely full of water, and both bleed bolts closed, squeezing the lever actually did nothing to the slaves. 0 movement with a perfect bleed. I figured that it was the slaves that would leak, because that was always my experience in the past...but I guess both ends of deng brakes suck. I think shops need to stop stocking that garbage and letting consumers risk trying the damn things. I tried echo brakes in the past, they were shit then, and they're still shit now. I figured with the new TR design that deng would have got it right, especially after releasing brakes for a few years now... If deng doesn't want to get his shit in order, we as consumers need to advise against buying his stuff as much as possible. I'm pretty pissed that when I made a thread on here about getting one of these and swapping mag cylinders on it, people said it wouldn't leak... /END RANT

Hella fail. Didn't work at all.

I remember the geo being 1085 385 +55 and 71(not sure on HA actually)?

So, I noticed a crack in the main body of my Magura Hs-33. Instead of getting a new body, I'm thinking about getting an Echo Tr complete lever and keep my Hs-33 slaves. I plan on using water, will the echo Tr lever leak if I do? Anyone try it?

What fork is that?

I really liked that.

Deng brakes are shit. The first ones are shit, and the new SL ones are shit too. Bleed them with water and they're even worse.

Looks great. I love simtras.

Pretty sick vid. What's the geo of this bike? Still 390 cs I bet!

Could you measure the distance from the center of the bb to the top center of the headtube?

I found this...so bloody funny and stupid. http://www.crazybike.ru/crazytube/viewvideo/89/-/fall-in-love-with-your-bike-the-hito-street-trial-video.html

Ah, great video. Reminds us that we don't need silly 24" bikes to ride however we want.

Good video blud.

The black and white look so hot.

Those are great frames. Props

That CS length is incorrect, it has to be 380 because there are no gear ratios that will work with 385 horizontal.