I've never been to a comp where the Butlers have been riding, but I still have a negative view of them. Once they can all get over their arrogance, I'm sure they're all very nice people. As James Hyland (Yeah Chris H, it is ) said, the result Daniel pointed out isn't a totally true reflection of his ranking within the world. I've done national XC races where I've come overall second, but i sure as hell know I'm not the second best XC racer in the South of England. Its just I turned up to every one and placed 4th or 5th. As far as I can tell ,(and I'd be very interested to know the real deal with this, Butler crew), your whole lives are dedicated to trials. Daniel, do you go to university or have a job outside trials? Dave, do you have a job outside trials? if not, your whole time can be spent travelling to each comp and getting a place. Theres no denying Danny is a good rider, but the arrogance tarnishes it. There are far better riders with a far better attitude out there.