Carbon is quite good, i got it off a friend, who downloaded it, but then i got to like the 3rd level thing, about 5 things in and just couldn't win anymore, so i got a trainer for it (program that puts cheats in) and i had fun, then got bored again. Then it died... Same thing happened with San Andreas, illegally, did stuff, got bored, got cheats, got bored, it died. Did play SA for longer than Carbon though. I'd probably buy both if i had the dorrah, but i don't.