Yeah most of it isn't all that strong... I see Try-All stuff as the kinda parts used for comps, i.e. light, but will need replacing immanently because they just don't last well. Don't think I'm on my own when I say that either? But the Frames, bBB etc Deng is kicking out at the moment are stupid-strong, and marginally cheaper than Try-Alls equivalents. Especially the rims I must say, when you compare the 26" Try-All rims with the Echo '07s, there is no competition. Granted, Koxx have just clinched it with the weight, but Echo’s are just tanks.