Do Onzas actually have a specific target market? I mean, the only people that seem to by any of them are chavvy little kids who go wheeling around shopping precincts. They are just cheap. These new Koxx bikes are aimed at the younger comp rider. This is crystal clear to me. I admire onza for being a UK company, the new frames they are prospected to kick out soon look pretty smart, but the current range is, well, wank for want of a better word. I'm not educated in the art of frame construction or anything but is it more expensive to make a frame that actually has nice geo? For example the 'Hitman' and 'Cleaner' geometry - No BB rise. Why? The T-Pro, is a good bike. I think this is designed for street riding beginners? Fantastic start, the geo is reasonably similar to other frames. However i find the T-Vee and T-Bird offerings to be... lacking in purpose? To me, they feel like riding a BMX with silly gearing. I think if they could put the cheaper parts onto a T-Pro frame, or a frame more similar to the T-Pro, they'd be onto a winner in my eyes. The first thing to put me off Onza was my first bike - T-Mag '05/'06 i believe. I was a 8 stone child and i managed to snap it? Whats going on there? I seem to remember its RRP to be £279? I do realize this problem was rectified, but as a customer, I wasn't interested in a half price replacement when the product sold to me wasn't fit for purpose (or so I thought? Was I wrong in thinking that?). Just to add, this was slipping down to bash after slipping of a 2ft high wall! Any the Limey (the first Limey), again, what was going on there? Is it that they weren't tested and just released to the public or what? There doesn't seem to be much in the way of top-end stock frames, which I'd like to see, because I think you'd be more that capable of coming up with something pretty decent if you really got your heads down. Sorry for the massive rant, sort of clogging my own thread. Started writing but just didn't stop. Wasn't supposed to be a dig at Onza, there are some questions for them in there somewhere.