cheers dave the erm, **w......lol yea dave you missed urself that day we were all riding to the best of abilities and all feeling good on the bikes. Aorta is sooo nice, can bunny hop it higher than the ashton and can hold it on the back wheel easier than my mates 20" koxx!!!!so much more confident with all ttypes of my riding now ive changed from short to long. but im returning to short quite soon with sumthing a little special.........