Braintree Trials Park.

[Charlie Jennings]

Hello everybody. I would just like to inform you that a Trials park is being built shortly in Great Notley Discovery Centre, Braintree, Essex.

Could everybody please post what you would like to see in the trials park. preferably pictures. So.. If you would like (for example) a seasaw, draw it. And post a picture up. (or if you can find images on the internet post them)

Thanks,

Charlie

[JonMack]

Something like this but better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvdc6Jf2Zkc

There's some really awesome vids on youtube from somewhere in mainland Europe, i'll try find them now

Found some...

Campona Bike Park

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_quer...p;search=Search

Edited December 13, 2007 by JonMack

[N Roach]

I would like to see high platforms made from cement, massive cotton reels, Rocks, good logs and cement cylinders.

Loads of these.

something like these.

Better than these rocks.

Without the spikes.

Big logs, bigger than the picture.

Edited December 13, 2007 by Koxx_Nath.C

[Charlie Jennings]

Wicked. Looks great. Thanks guys. Keep 'em coming.

[mad_gavo]

may have to come to braintree

Have a look through some of the world cup videos where they have the man made obsticals. They will show you alot of good ideas that you can pass on if needed

[Rusevelt]

Hello everybody. I would just like to inform you that a Trials park is being built shortly in Great Notley Discovery Centre, Braintree, Essex.

Could everybody please post what you would like to see in the trials park. preferably pictures. So.. If you would like (for example) a seasaw, draw it. And post a picture up. (or if you can find images on the internet post them)

Thanks,

Charlie

How big the land (ie; per square foot)? and can you post a landscape pic of purposed site and approx date of completion (assuming it will be ready by summer 2008)?

[Charlie Jennings]

How big the land (ie; per square foot)? and can you post a landscape pic of purposed site and approx date of completion (assuming it will be ready by summer 2008)?

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&...c=addr&om=1

^ Links there if you wanna look around

Edited December 13, 2007 by iCharlie

[Jsy Ben]

Thats actually not THAT much land! Considering some of the Trials/Motorbike trials shows i've helped or organised myself over here, (by the looks of it) you've got about 25m length, 20m width on the right and 10m width on the left.

The smallest space i've squeezed 80pallets, 2cars, 2skips and 10 tractor tyres (and many smaller obstacles to link things together) into was if i remember correctly 55m by 30m, now seeing as this isn't a temporary show and the space must house alot bigger obstacles as someone has previously shown and must well thought out/planned enough (in terms of making lines compatable for every level of rider with limited space and supplys), i'd suggest squeezing abit more land out of your council...

On the other hand if you know it won't be used great deal, maybe the current land is sufficent.

Off the topic now, but i was born and lived in Chelmsford, Essex so was thinking of going back there with my car and bike in the back and seeing as Braintree is just north i think i might pop up for a couple of days/weekend for a ride. I'l get in touch nearer the time if i'm making the trip.

Ben.

[MattB]

Correct me if I am wrong but that isn't the same area as agreed when we was there.

The area the guy showed us was plenty big enough.

Matt

[N Roach]

Can you make it under cover....?

[Charlie Jennings]

Correct me if I am wrong but that isn't the same area as agreed when we was there.

The area the guy showed us was plenty big enough.

Matt

Well I did say *ish

Thats actually not THAT much land! Considering some of the Trials/Motorbike trials shows i've helped or organised myself over here, (by the looks of it) you've got about 25m length, 20m width on the right and 10m width on the left.

The smallest space i've squeezed 80pallets, 2cars, 2skips and 10 tractor tyres (and many smaller obstacles to link things together) into was if i remember correctly 55m by 30m, now seeing as this isn't a temporary show and the space must house alot bigger obstacles as someone has previously shown and must well thought out/planned enough (in terms of making lines compatable for every level of rider with limited space and supplys), i'd suggest squeezing abit more land out of your council...

On the other hand if you know it won't be used great deal, maybe the current land is sufficent.

Off the topic now, but i was born and lived in Chelmsford, Essex so was thinking of going back there with my car and bike in the back and seeing as Braintree is just north i think i might pop up for a couple of days/weekend for a ride. I'l get in touch nearer the time if i'm making the trip.

Ben.

Why post this? The land we have is plenty. We are allowed more land nearby but i personally dont think we need it.

We have as trials park, I'm leaving it at that for now.

Can you make it under cover....?

I highly doubt that! Then chav's will camp in there and burn it down and do drugs and other stuff that chav's do. Then we will get it ripped down.

Then Charlie wont be very happy.

[Krisboats]

Why post this? The land we have is plenty. We are allowed more land nearby but i personally dont think we need it.

We have as trials park, I'm leaving it at that for now.

Because it makes sense and is helpful. He's passing on his knowledge for free to try and help you have a better place to ride so your not stuck with 4 obstacles and no room to move. I also happen to think he's right, if he's guessed his measurements right from that picture you've put up i'd be inclined to say that whilst it might look big while its empty, its going to fill up very fast and you'll be stuck for space. Look at it this way, if you have two obstacles big enough to fit a bike on comfortably, then have a decent sized gap between them (7 foot or so) you've lost around 1/3 of your space along one of the long edges, and thats just for one gap.

Edited December 15, 2007 by Krisboats

[Mark W]

Precisely. I can't understand how you're actually questioning why someone who has a lot of experience in a field (no pun intended) that you're both interested in AND inexperienced in is giving you input. If there's spare land nearby, I can't believe you've actually turned it down. Bear in mind that, as Krisboats said, if you have decent gaps and the like in there that'll kill space, and if you're going to have higher objects for people to get up, they'll need a run-up for them too, which is again flat ground you won't be able to chuck obstacles into. From the sounds of things, your area's going to be smaller than the sort of setup they had at the Bike Shows I went to, and even they looked pretty cramped and like there wasn't a great deal of variety in them.

If you're being offered extra space, use it!

[Fish-Finger-er]

agreed, my backgarden is about 25 metres by 12 metres. and despite sounding quite big, when i cut up my half pipe and built a couple of trials obstacles out of it. i had 2 four foot square platforms, one about a foot high, and another about 2 foot high. i had a 10 foot wide patio, a small (3 foot) gap to the low platform, then another 3 foot gap, onto the higher platform, then dropped off the end. and could go back the other way. this was 2 small beginner (by todays standards) obstacles. yet was rather tight to fit into a 12 metre wide garden, (bare in mind if your dropping off something, even a low obstacle requires a bikes length + 2 foot for where your front wheel will land, then a run off. there was plenty of times i rolled into the fence doing it) if it was council approved skatepark style, chances are youd need a minimum of 1.5 metres or so at the side of a low obstacle like that, as if you roll/fall off the side. your going to land a good distance away from it on your side, doubt the council will want anything hard/sharp close that you could hit your head on.

* also note im being conservative on the 1.5 metres front, thats barely a bike length. they most likely want more than that.

thats only a rough drawing, but it may illustrate just how little room you got to play with, thats 2 4 footish square platforms, which are a pretty small obstacle to stick a bike on(i.e you can sit a bike on there, but the back of the back and the front of the front wheel will overhang, so if you want to take a pedal stroke before lifting the wheel you cant, so not ideal for beginners, if you where to gap to one, youd need to stop pretty much dead when you hit it). on the bottom side you got a run up like half a pedal stroke(pretty small run up) and then on the top you got enough room to drop off and then like a 3 foot run out before your front wheel hits the edge of the park. youve then got about 6 foot either side of the platforms to fall off. which is barely adequate.

to see what i mean about distances. go out tomorrow, find something of only say 18-inches - 2 foot high. hop to the edge on the back wheel, then do a little pedal kick off, land back wheel first, let the front come down, and then chances are youll let the bike roll forward a little to steady yourself. as soon as your steady, stop. note where the front of your front wheel is, in relation to the obstacle. chances are the very front of your front wheel will be a good 9 foot forward of the drop off. obviously thats on a low drop, as the drop gets higher, so does the distance youll go forward before you hit the ground, and the distance youll roll when you do hit it. so youll see what i mean about needing a 10 foot space to drop off comfortably even on low obstacles(and beginners who will be using low obstacles will probably take a longer distance than that)

then get your bike on the edge of that 2 foot wall, and trackstand on the edge, then when your ready, jump off the bike and put both your feet to the one side of the bike off the drop (can can style) again chances are unless your trying to land as close as possible to the bike, youll be a good 3-4 foot away from the obstacle, again as the height increases so does the distance, and thats just overbalancing and jumping out, before you think about people overshooting the obstacle and going off to the side.

alright my distances are only *ish, but then so yours trials park. and my 2 four foot platforms of 1 foot and 2 foot in height with a very small gap between the 2, takes up over 1/3 of the trials park.

[Charlie Jennings]

Yeah but how many gaps do you really want??? Were getting the guys from EBTC to design it, im sure they'll get something together. It just never seems good enough. I manage to get permission from the council to build a park and i get back. Your land is small. My park is better than yours.. I didnt ask how big do you think the land is. I asked for you to post designs. If you are experienced in this field. You could actually help me and post pictures and design's. Like i asked.

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to see what i mean about distances. go out tomorrow, find something of only say 18-inches - 2 foot high. hop to the edge on the back wheel, then do a little pedal kick off, land back wheel first, let the front come down, and then chances are youll let the bike roll forward a little to steady yourself. as soon as your steady, stop. note where the front of your front wheel is, in relation to the obstacle. chances are the very front of your front wheel will be a good 9 foot forward of the drop off. obviously thats on a low drop, as the drop gets higher, so does the distance youll go forward before you hit the ground, and the distance youll roll when you do hit it. so youll see what i mean about needing a 10 foot space to drop off comfortably even on low obstacles(and beginners who will be using low obstacles will probably take a longer distance than that)"

True. When you drop (even small) you will never drop dead. It hurts*

*ish

ALSO: our park isnt going to be fenced. and were building it. So... we could accidently move some stuff bigger (the whole park)

To be honest: Im getting a tad fed up with arguing with people like Nick Carter, JonMack (Funny enough, all the mac users)

Because it makes sense and is helpful. He's passing on his knowledge for free to try and help you have a better place to ride so your not stuck with 4 obstacles and no room to move. I also happen to think he's right, if he's guessed his measurements right from that picture you've put up i'd be inclined to say that whilst it might look big while its empty, its going to fill up very fast and you'll be stuck for space. Look at it this way, if you have two obstacles big enough to fit a bike on comfortably, then have a decent sized gap between them (7 foot or so) you've lost around 1/3 of your space along one of the long edges, and thats just for one gap.

Krisboats, I love you. *whispers* can i be on your special points board

Anyway, Please boys, for arguments sake. Dont rip my area. Ive put lots of effort into getting this done. Sweat, blood and tears.

To be honest: Im getting a tad fed up with arguing with people like Nick Carter, JonMack (Funny enough, all the mac users)

Edited December 15, 2007 by iCharlie

[Fish-Finger-er]

Yeah but how many gaps do you really want??? Were getting the guys from EBTC to design it, im sure they'll get something together. It just never seems good enough. I manage to get permission from the council to build a park and i get back. Your land is small. My park is better than yours.. I didnt ask how big do you think the land is. I asked for you to post designs. If you are experienced in this field. You could actually help me and post pictures and design's. Like i asked.

or we could offer advice, like we have, then when you dont like it, you bitch at us, and in future we wont add our designs.

no ones said there park was better than yours, were just saying if you want to build something worthwile, then youll need a lot more space than that.

wasnt saying you need loads of gaps, just showing you how 2 obstacles giving you one gap, with a run off takes 1/3rd of your park up.

ok, for what you want in there, a scrap car(no windows, no wheels, no engine, panels with chequer plate riveted on bonnet and roof(+ boo if its a saloon), but again thats going to take up 1/3 of your park. so for 2 platforms gappable between(and to practice ups and drops off) and a car, youve took up 1/2 your park(as you wont need the 6 foot gap calculated between the car and the gap section)

chuck in a 18 inch high wall 4-5 inches wide to practice upping to a narrow object/riding along. and an old tractor tyre. and your whole park is gone with a very small easy gap/up section, a car, a balance beam, and a tractor tyre.

but there the kind of things id stick in a trials park that the council may approve.

if you dont like my advice or suggestions. then you can shove it up your iArse.

[Krisboats]

Krisboats, I love you. *whispers* can i be on your special points board

Anyway, Please boys, for arguments sake. Dont rip my area. Ive put lots of effort into getting this done. Sweat, blood and tears.

To be honest: Im getting a tad fed up with arguing with people like Nick Carter, JonMack (Funny enough, all the mac users)

Can't really tell if thats sarcasm or not so....

Nobody has "ripped" your area. Someone with experience in these kind of things said the area isn't all that big and advised that you should probably look at using the extra land you said is nearby as did mark. Nobodies taken the piss, nobodies said its shit, its all been constructive and with the best of intentions.... i think its just you who's mis-interpreted it and started being all defensive.

[Simon]

Oh my days, of all the people on the planet to get one of the first trials parks in the UK built, i'm really really concerned that it's you.

What concerns me even more is that you are currently proving all my doubts correct.

Seriously, listen to what the f**k people are saying and don't belittle them because you believe you already know it. If you already know what your doing why did you ask for advice.

You have completely the wrong attitude to life, and to this project.

Sort yourself out, there is a reason 90% of this forum dislike you, maybe take this opportunity of building community project that may also help you communicate better with this forum, its users, and in turn the people that will be riding this.

PS: Nick hasn't even commented in this thread and Jon gave you examples of previous parks, so why the hell did you mention them when saying about arguement's in this thread?

PPS: That is a rhetorical question and relates to my points above; your attitude.

[Mark W]

Still chuckling at "Don't rip my area."

Anyway, yeah, if they're going to get any health and safety people to inspect it at any point, or to check what insurance they'd need, they may do you with the rule that, from what I heard, almost f**ked the bikeshow organisers up - you need to leave an area around an object at least as big as the object is tall, so that if it falls over, it won't fall on to anything else. So yeah, you'll need to potentially bear that in mind too.

[Bearded Midget]

Correct me if I am wrong but that isn't the same area as agreed when we was there.

The area the guy showed us was plenty big enough.

Matt

correct!. the area we have is about 50m long and in a triangle like, so theres plenty of room, and i cba to read the topic so all you fags shut ur pie holes and stop arguing againts the truth

[JonMack]

correct!. the area we have is about 50m long and in a triangle like, so theres plenty of room, and i cba to read the topic so all you fags shut ur pie holes and stop arguing againts the truth

Wow, it seems to me like everyone from Braintree who rides trials is an idiot? Good luck getting people to go to your park if you're all going to act like dicks whenever someone makes a valid point which you don't like.

[Krisboats]

correct!. the area we have is about 50m long and in a triangle like, so theres plenty of room, and i cba to read the topic so all you fags shut ur pie holes and stop arguing againts the truth

I agree whole heartedly with simon in the fact that i hope you guys don't tarnish the names of riders everywhere in the eyes of local councils due to your petty ignorance and complete immaturity. At least you guys will have a place to yourself, can't imagine many people will want to come and ride with you.

[Fish-Finger-er]

[quote name='braintreetria

correct!. the area we have is about 50m long and in a triangle like, so theres plenty of room, and i cba to read the topic so all you fags shut ur pie holes and stop arguing againts the truth

we wernt arguing against the truth, we wer pointin out the area the person who made the topic(who should be in the know, after all if hes helping design the park) was way too small to be of much use.advice not arguments.

as for fags, whats our opinions on the size of a trials park got to do with our sexuality??

and if you cant be assed to read the topic, why can you be assed to reply in it.

[Gavyn.]

We had a huge field just for this and it never got used. i'm going to see if we're still aloud to ride it then might go try and sort it out. you'll probs find that you won't use it much at all

[James Quigley]

correct!. the area we have is about 50m long and in a triangle like, so theres plenty of room, and i cba to read the topic so all you fags shut ur pie holes and stop arguing againts the truth

How can you comment on other peoples comments when you havn't read them?

As for iCharlie, you're corretct response (if you care) could have gone.......

''thanks for the replys guys, unfortunately this is all of the space we've been allocated so we have to make do with what we have, please continue to post images etc as the more ideas we get the better.....etc''

instead you start to rip on peoples help and act like a kid. at first I couldn't understand why he forum populas didn't like you but after looking in this thread I can see why.

* awaits a ripping