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Hey everyone, I'm gary, happy to the forum and love motorcycle trials (currently riding a Beta). When I'm not on the bike, I'm usually flying RC planes or FPV drones – anyone else here into both? Would be cool to connect with riders who share the hobby!

Hey all, I’m new to trials and looking for a good starter bike that can handle a bit of street riding too. Any models you’d recommend that won’t break the bank? Cheers!

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Hey, just my two cents—between the two, the Zoot Pro is a solid starter, and a lot of people have had good experiences with it. Yeah, there have been some concerns about the frame near the seatpost cracking under heavy use, especially if you're doing bigger street moves, but for learning and lighter riding, it should be fine. That said, if you're planning to push into heavier street trials, the Echo Mark 5 is definitely stronger and more durable. Geometry-wise, it’s a bit more comp-oriented, but with some adjustments, you could make it work for street. Still, if you can find an Inspired Fourplay, that’d be the ultimate pick for this kind of riding.

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nice topic.... nice inputs.....

stuck on this part.... 07042025B.mp4

The piston will also "dry out" if you leave it somewhere warm, but of course will take water back in again over time. I think it swells to 106% size, from memory, so the long term fix is either a lathe or as Alex says above 👌

The pistons are hygroscopic, the nylon absorbs water. If you remove the seals, you can sand the of the piston down so it’s again smaller than the bore of the cylinder. If you get it to size with 120, then move up to about 600 it should work fine. You can test the fit in the bore whilst you’re doing it, it should drop to the bottom with little to no play in the bore.

It seems the piston expands when in contact with water for a long period. The info is from Adam from Tarty if I recall correclty. There is not much to do I think.

Yes mate, stretch the spring, oil the piston, gt85 the inner cylinder

For outright strength I think I’d go pro4. Hydras are very good, but the Freehub body is aluminium. The harder you can kick, the more the pawls dig into it and oversize the pawl seats / sockets.

Ha I saw this the other day on Cleans website and thought it was pretty shady. It’s certainly not POE, more degrees until engagement.

Clean and Comas are doing this for their new pointless 120mm hubs. I hadn't considered that they would be comparing it to FFW setups. That does make a little sense then. BUT nowhere in the description do they state just the hubs POE. It's easy math to figure it out, but I'm still calling it deceptive. Can you imagine if Industry 9 listed their POE in relation to a 32x11 MTB ratio?

Clean have done this for the last couple models of freehub, odd really. It certainly doesn't make a lot of sense. ALthough I guess it artificially increases the performance compared to their competitors rear freehubs and gives a more fair comparison against FFW set ups.

I think I can take a guess, but just to confirm, which companies are these? That f**king stinks.

Just went to have a look and it's looking like there is a new updated design which I can't comment on: https://www.tmsurbanshop.com/734-moyeu-arriere

I've noticed some companies listing the POE of their hubs in relation to certain gear ratios and not as an absolute number. POE is completely independent of any gearing. How many times does the hub engage per 360 degree revolution of the hub. That's it. Listing your POE in a gear ratio is just dishonest. I've never seen any other company do this except trials companies. What's up with that?

Have you a link to the tms hub?

Most reliable hub I've had since getting back into street trials just over a couple of years ago is the TMS hub. I've had a Pro5 and can concur it likes to skip but is the most free spinning. I'm running an I9 just now, it skips now and then but overall very good and the amount of engagement points is awesome. But saying that, I will be putting my I9 up for sale next week and going back to my TMS hub. Mainly to free up a bit of cash for my upcoming house extension.

Currently running the hope pro 2 since building a bike again great hub but I’ve immediately noticed the lack of enragements spoke to a few people that are saying the pro4 rip out ratchet rings and pro 5 skip alot i9 are meant to be decent in all aspects but now brilliant BUT they have just brought out a hydra 2 anyone used it? Has 3 teeth per pawl which is effectively tripling the grab when it engages its designed for emtb so will be to take high torque been out the scene for along time so seeing peoples opinions and if I’ve missed any other reliable options?

Just spotted an ancient clip on the latest Fail Army, anyone identify the rider? (I'm assuming a Paul Mitchell but the name doesn't ring a bell)

We will see after my night shift week.... break 1, send 2.... Nice!

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